The Measure of Christ

Steve Arsenault at Maine 2007


I don’t know about you, but if things get much better or get any more exciting, I don’t know what we’re going to do. Because I think He’s about to suddenly come to His temple. He said, “Blessed are you when I come, if I’m giving them their meat in due season.” So we want to be among those who are gathered together eating the meat of His word.

Turn to the book of Zechariah chapter 1, verse 16:

Zechariah 1:16-17 ‘Therefore thus saith the Lord; I am returned to Jerusalem with mercies: my house shall be built in it, saith the Lord of hosts, and a line shall be stretched forth upon Jerusalem. Cry yet, saying, Thus saith the Lord of hosts; My cities through prosperity shall yet be spread abroad; and the Lord shall yet comfort Zion, and shall yet choose Jerusalem.’

Zechariah 2:1-2 ‘I lifted up mine eyes again, and looked, and behold a man with a measuring line in his hand. Then said I, Whither goest thou? And he said unto me, To measure Jerusalem, to see what is the breadth thereof, and what is the length thereof.’

Revelation 11:1-4 ‘And there was given me a reed like unto a rod; and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. These are the two olive trees, and the two candesticks standing before the God of the earth.’

I want you to keep that in mind that the two olive trees and the two candlesticks are standing before the God of the earth.

You can see that God has us in a time of measuring; of course, the measure is the stature of Christ that we’re being measured by. I think in closing the other night, we looked at the measure in Deuteronomy—the just measure; ‘you shall have a just weight and a just measure both in your bag and in your house’. It’s very clear that God wants to know what criteria we’re using to measure things in these last days. There’s been a lot of criteria throughout the church world—throughout our walk in the Lord—with how we measured where we’re going.

He that doeth truth—he that loveth the truth—has a certain measurement of the truth. There’s only one measurement to reveal whether or not what you are walking in is error or truth; that’s the light. God is light; what do we know about that? In Him is no darkness at all. Light is the measurement and what light measures is what darkness you’re yet in.

It’s interesting that you can’t measure darkness scientifically. Light has a measurement; you can measure light, but you can’t measure darkness. Darkness is always less light. ‘The path of the just is as the shining light and it shines more and more unto the perfect day’. So every time the light gets brighter, what do you think is happening? It’s dispelling your darkness. ‘So you who were sometimes darkness, now are ye light in the Lord’.

You can see why in this move of God, we’ve never had an official doctrine because as the light gets brighter, we begin to find an increased understanding in some of the same passages that we had read previously. Anytime you would think that life would come out of the way you had been taught or even what you believed last year, you just put yourself in a box and in a form, because life is never about teaching; life is never about doctrine; life is a person! ‘We live by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God’. It’s a present tense communion relationship that we have with the Father and with the Son.

I can never have life based on what I’ve been taught. Life is based on that hearing ear. ‘Today if you hear His voice, today is the day of salvation’.

You can see the whole church bases the way they live life on a criteria according to their doctrine. Doctrine forms your criteria for how you measure things, but you can never use doctrine as the criteria to measure anything because it’s His voice that you have to listen to, to obey. As you are under that command of God—under His authority—He’s increasing the light in your life and in my life.

So, He’s challenging our criteria because the evidence that you’re walking in the truth is that you bring your deeds to the light to see that they are wrought in God. What the light reveals is the author of what you and I are involved in. We need to know who the author is of what we are involved in.

Remember, sin does not always appear as sin. It takes being under the command of God for sin to show up exceedingly sinful. As long as you and I walk according to the “default program”, which is ‘every man’s way is right in his own eyes’; according to what? Well, according to the light you have—according to the understanding you have. But if the light in you be darkness how great is that darkness. That’s gross deception whenever the criteria we use is our own reasoning’s. That’s why God is light and in Him is no darkness at all and whenever we’re in Him , He’s going to reveal anything in us that’s otherwise minded.

So what criteria have we been using? You find the body of Christ is full of different measurement scales, but there’s only one measure that’s going to get it done; it’s the measure and the stature of Christ .

Now, it’s interesting where the real measurement is taking place. You see here in Revelation chapter 11, He’s measuring the temple of God and the altar and them that worship in that temple. What altar is this that they are worshipping at? The altar of incense, right? The court that is “without” is the court that has the brazen altar in it. He is saying, “Don’t measure the court that is without; measure it not because it is given unto the Gentiles.”

So what God is out to measure in the temple is your worship—He is out to measure our worship. There’s a measurement for the worship you and I are to be involved in. There’s a criteria that God has set, which is the stature of Christ .

It’s interesting, that the first time the word “worship” is mentioned is when Abraham is taking Isaac up to Mt. Moriah and he says, “Let’s go up yonder to the mount and worship.” If you notice, what he took along with him—his implements of worship; he had the wood, he had the fire, and he had the knife. There’s never any problem finding lots of wood around; wood is a type of flesh. We’ve all been able to produce plenty of wood for the fire. So, the wood was there and the fire—God provides the fire, but you got to have the knife because ‘if a man be given to appetite, let him put a knife to his throat’. In our worship before the Lord, He is looking to you and to me to cut off every other appetite. If your belly is your god, your end is destruction.

So, He’s measuring our worship. Before it’s over you can’t worship Him in Jerusalem or in this mountain; you have to worship Him in spirit and in truth. You’ll only know if you are doing that according to the light you are living in. We can expect to have God reproving us and tweaking some things and putting the finishing touches on this house as we get closer to the end here.

Why? Because the light is getting brighter and brighter. The Daystar is rising in our hearts and it’s revealing in us anything that is otherwise minded. You and I have to get this right. If we’re going to be in Him, there’s no darkness at all. We’ve been content with shades of gray; we’ve been content with getting it “just about” right. You’ll never get it right by conforming, by reforming, by fixing things. The only way to actually get it right is to get in Him . Only in Him is there no sin. Only in Him is there no darkness at all . That light reveals the hidden thing of dishonesty. Hidden from who? From the one who counts; hidden from me.

So, David says in the Psalms, ‘cleanse thou me from secret faults’. Secret from who? Secret from me—from the one who counts. Did you know that you are accountable for what you don’t know about? You’re accountable for that. What you are accountable for is to say, “Search me, Lord, and see if there be any wicked way in me.” So that the light reveals that which is in you that could disqualify you from this so great a prize. You and I don’t want to be found “wanting” at the end of this thing.

He that loves the truth—if you are doing truth, the evidence is you are coming to the light and you’re going to live there because it’s the light that reveals the hidden thing of dishonesty.

What’s dishonest? What is it that I could be involved in that is dishonest? What makes any work dishonest is the work I believe I can do and is acceptable to God. It’s dishonest. I can’t perform anything in my own strength and have it be acceptable for God. Therefore, you have Cain’s sacrifice and you have Abel’s sacrifice. Cain’s wasn’t accepted because it wasn’t offered by faith.

When you and I are in the light, it’s going to reveal what it is we love more than we love God; what agenda we’re tapped into. You can find that what happens is, when the light starts to get brighter, men draw back from the light because they love darkness—because that’s what they are. They love darkness rather than light, why? Their deeds are evil. He tells us to mortify therefore the deeds of the body. We’re going to be judged according to the deeds that are done in the body. Who’s got your temple? What are you using the temple for while God’s testing out your stewardship? You are not your own; you belong to Him.

He’s testing out your stewardship with that which is temporal before He’s going to give us that which is eternal. So how are we doing? If you really want to know how you are doing, you are going to live in the light. You’re going to bring, not just all your deeds, but every thought. You call that a narrow way? That’s like a tightrope— every thought into the captivity of Christ. That’s narrow; that’s straight and therefore, few there be that find it. Very few are going to actually live in the light so that the light will reveal all these little rabbit trails that we’ve all been so good at chasing.

But, I’ll tell you if we are going to get it right and we’re actually going to be His house, it’s going to be because we don’t want to live anywhere else.

So let us let God judge our criteria because He has a measuring reed and this reed is His standard and He’s out to measure the temple and the altar therein. He’s not measuring that outer court realm; that’s coming later. That’ll be your mission, should you choose to accept it, once we’re up in the Millennium as the Melchisedec Priesthood. That will be our mission to set creation free. That’s what that outer court is being left for; it’s left for the Sons.

Right now, God is judging the altar of incense because that is where you worship. Why is the measuring reed up against you at that point in your progress towards fulfilling this thing? That altar of incense represents the Day of Atonement. It says, ‘He that doesn’t afflict his soul in that selfsame day, that soul will be cut off and die.’ So He’s out to measure whether or not you and I are actually going to finish this race and pass from these first two experiences we’ve had in God—these first two parts—and move on in. What He has right there at the veil is a measuring reed.

It’s like when you go to the amusement parks. We use to take our little kids there; they were always very disappointed because there was that yardstick right beside and it was awhile before they could go on those roller coasters because they didn’t measure up.

Well, you and I are going for a ride as well. It says He is going to take you in a way that you would not go. In order to go on this ride, you’re going to have to measure up or you’ll fall off. In fact, He’s making sure if He can shake you off, He’s going to shake you off. This is a stiff measurement. No ducking under the bar and getting on this ride. This is a ride you’ve got to measure up for.

Where is He measuring us? At the altar where you worship. What He’s checking out is the criteria you use in your worship towards God; that you have the right implements with you in your worship towards God. Or, do we love darkness rather than light and we’re so hooked on our own deeds that we call darkness light and we never come up to the measure and the stature of the fullness of Christ. Therefore this happens, if you’ll turn back to Zechariah; a very familiar passage, but it’s worth reading again.

Zechariah 13:8-9 ‘And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein. And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.’

God is measuring us and He’s measuring us just before we fully come out of this second feast realm and go on in and fulfill a third feast. Do you know how you know when you’re living in the third feast? Not because you’ve been 40 years listening to end time revelation; not because you understand the feast of tabernacles and you’ve read it all; no, it’s called the “feast of rest”. Rest means I’ve ceased from my own works. So you’ll know when you’ve fulfilled the feast of tabernacles when you’ve ceased from your own works; in other words, you brought all your works to the light and what has been exposed is, who is the author of what you’re involved in. That’s the feast of rest; that’s the feast of joy; that’s the feast of ingathering and that’s where God gets ready to bring in the full harvest.

So what does He do at the beginning of this month? The first day of the seventh month, He starts blowing the trumpet. That trumpet says, “Awake to righteousness and sin not!” He starts sounding the trumpet to get you and me to realize that we are about to get on a ride; do you measure up? This is not a ride you get to ride without the right measure.

Two parts are going to be cut off and in John 6, verse 1, you see that Jesus is by the Sea of Galilee and in verse 2:

John 6:2 ‘And a great multitude followed him, because they saw his miracles which he did on them that were diseased.’

John 6:4 ‘And the Passover, a feast of the Jews, was nigh.’

He’s by the Sea of Galilee at the feast of Passover. So now Philip is hungry and the company is hungry and he says in verse 5:

John 6:5(b) ‘Whence shall we buy bread, that these may eat?’

And you know the story, verse 8:

John 6:8-9 ‘One of his disciples, Andrew, Simon Peter’s brother, saith unto him, There is a lad here, which hath five barley loaves,’

Five is the number for grace and barley is the grain for Passover. So here we have a multitude of people gathered around the Sea of Galilee in their Passover experience and this is when Jesus feeds you. This is when He is out to make a provision for you because you weren’t seeking Him because you were lost; He came seeking you. Aren’t you glad tonight that if He didn’t come seeking you, you wouldn’t be found yet? So, He found you; you didn’t find Him. You woke up not because of anything you were doing. It was because He decided to shine the light into your darkness. You woke up and said, “Lord?” Right?

That happens by the Sea of Galilee where He’s performing His reasonable service towards you. He breaks the bread, as you know, the five barley loaves—the grain for Passover—and there were also two fishes. Of course the story goes on, He increased the bread and the fishes. The two fishes are a type of Pentecost. Two is the number of “witness” and when did you get the witness in yourself?

You see, right after the disciples were filled with the Holy Ghost in the Upper Room, they weren’t filled with the Holy Spirit and endued with power from on High so that they could just go out and raise the dead and heal the sick and show the power of God. The reason that experience happened to them was so that they could be a witness of the resurrection. Now because they could witness to the life that was in them, they were able to have signs following them. They weren’t following signs; signs were following them because they were witnessing to the power of the resurrection in them.

So that’s the witness. That happens in the first two feasts as God’s free gift to you. That’s His provision to you. You get to have all of that, free of charge. Right by the Sea of Galilee where our gentle Jesus, meek and mild, breaks the bread and gives you the fishes with all the multitudes and we’ve been thankful for that.

But, there comes a time when, as you grow a little bigger, you’re looking at that big roller coaster. You want to go on that ride. How many of us heard that trumpet sounding in the early days and we heard about ruling and reigning? We heard about a priesthood after the order of Melchisedec. We heard about firstfruits and a remnant and we had all these ideas and we had no idea what it was going to cost, but it sounded good and God was quickening us. We had a vision before us and as best as we knew how, with the Lord helping us, we started walking towards this call, to make it sure. Amen?

We find ourselves here today looking at the “big ride” because He’s going to carry you on eagle’s wings and as we get to the gate—that second veil that must be rent before we get on this big roller coaster—there’s the measuring reed right there at the gate to find out if we’re going to measure up to this thing.

So now, some of us when we get close to it—like my wife always does, she’s not going on that ride when she gets good and close, once she sees it do a few loops—my son won’t either, my daughters will get on any ride with me, anywhere, anytime, but my wife and my son sit back and wave.

You don’t want to be among the spectators; you want to measure up and get on the ride. Amen? He’s going to carry you in a way that you would not go. Now, when you were young, Jesus told Peter, you went where you would. That’s what you can do in the first two feasts. Do you know why? Because He came to serve you in Passover and Pentecost. Here’s the bread—and He feeds you—here’s the fishes, now you got the witness in yourself; you begin to witness to the life.

The real evidence of the Holy Spirit in your life is not that you speak in tongues or that you can do miracles. The real evidence that you have the Spirit in your life is that He brings judgment to the house of God. The Holy Spirit is out to reveal the Father. He’s out to clean house; to get you ready to be the habitation of God.

As we read on down in verse 15, of course you know when they gathered up all the fragments, there were 12 baskets left. Out of all those fragments, God pulls a divine government out of everything that is left over.

You can see what the multitudes view is of Jesus and his ministry to them.

John 6:15 ‘When Jesus therefore perceived that they would come and take him by force, to make him a king, he departed again into a mountain himself alone.’

This is the characteristic and the viewpoint of the multitudes around the Sea of Galilee feasting on the provision of barley and of the fishes; they want the king to serve them. They have no idea that a king is for you to serve. In the first two feasts, it looks like it’s all about you! It looks like He’s out to perform this great service toward you; which in fact, is true! Unless He performed that service towards you, you would never be able to finish the last third of this race.

So now as God gets ready for you and me to show Him whether or not we love Him—as I say, we get up to the gate, there’s the measuring reed and He says two parts are going to get cut off; He tells us that up front. Two parts are going to get cut off; the third part is going to have to measure up.

So what does He bring along to make sure you measure up? He brings the fire. What has the church always done when they saw the fire? They drew back. They drew back from the fire and what they draw back to is, “Moses, you go hear from God and you come back and tell us and we’ll do everything that you say.” That’s where you are in the first two feasts; living by external instruction .

That’s alright for a time, but you can see that when God got ready to really take Paul on, He separated him from his mother’s womb for the purpose of revealing the Son in him . It’s a little different program now. As you can see later in this chapter, if you look in verse 33, Jesus is talking about the bread that comes down from Heaven.

John 6:33-34 ‘For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world. Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.’

Now you can see how He had so beautifully set them up. Five thousand people just got fed by five barley loaves. So now He is about to tell them about a different kind of bread because they were getting pretty comfortable with the menu. It was free! That’s nice when somebody takes you out to eat and it’s all free, isn’t it? But, when it starts to cost you , you sometimes start to have a different viewpoint.

John 6:35 ‘And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.’

John 6:48-49 ‘I am that bread of life. Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.’

He had just fed them the bread. He said, “Your fathers ate bread like this and they’re dead.”

John 6:50 ‘This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.’

He said, “I’ve got a different menu for you, if you’re interested. Yes, I was here with the multitude by the Sea of Galilee in the Feast of Passover; I am a provision to you. The Feast of Pentecost; I am a provision to you, but I’ve got a bread, if you’ll eat it, you won’t die!”

The bread you have been eating in these first two feasts is not an eternal bread because it’s something that’s external! You’re going to have to get it on the inside! What would be required?

John 6:53 ‘Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.’

Now they’re not so sure about this new menu; not so sure about it.

John 6:55-56 ‘ For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me , and I in him .’

That’s what you have to have to have life; ‘if ye abide in Me and My words abide in you.’ It takes the reciprocal thing to have life; it’s not just good enough to assume you got it based on what He did . It takes the two working together. In order for you to fill up your part, we’ve got to eat this bread or else we have no life in us!

John 6:57-58 ‘ As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me. This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, (now He’s talking about Himself—this bread that came down from heaven) and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.’

John 6:60 ‘ Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; (they’re not measuring up to the yardstick; they’re drawing back from the requirement)

John 6:61 ‘When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Does this offend you?’

Now they weren’t offended when He was feeding them by Galilee; that draws the crowds. But when He says, “Oh, you want life! Well, that’s a different menu!” When He shows them this menu, it’s a hard saying.

John 6:66, interesting, right? John, 666.

John 6:66 ‘From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.’

You can see in the realm of the multitudes, the bread is still available; the fishes are still available. You can still camp by the sea and Jesus can still perform towards you. But once we get up at the end of this thing; once we get to the altar of incense, there is a measuring reed there, that’s going to eliminate those two parts—it’s going to eliminate those two parts.

Whether or not we go on in and fulfill this third feast and actually cease from our own works will be whether or not we measure up—whether or not we’ll be compatible with the fire. Amen?

Turn back to the book of Zechariah in chapter 5. He’s stretching that line out and measuring us.

Zechariah 5:1-2 ‘Then I turned, and lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a flying roll (or a scroll) . And he said unto me, What seest thou? And I answered, I see a flying roll (scroll) ; the length thereof is twenty cubits, and the breadth thereof ten cubits.

Now what do you know about those measurements? What part of the tabernacle? The Holy Place was 20 X 10, so Zechariah here is having a vision of the Holy Place and we just read that the Holy Place, which is where the altar of incense is, is being measured by the reed. He’s measuring our worship there. It’s 20 X 10.

Zechariah 5:3 ‘Then said he unto me, This is the curse that goeth forth over the face of the whole earth: for every one that stealeth shall be cut off as on this side according to it; and every one that sweareth shall be cut off as on that side according to it.’

So what he was looking at was the scroll pulled out like a crazy carpet and he looked at the scroll and there was writing on both sides of it. When he looked at the writing, the Lord told him—spoke to him—and said, “This scroll is a judgment or a measurement against the Holy Place.”

In the judgment that’s being measured against this realm, he says the one side, ‘for he that stealeth shall be cut off as on this side according to it; and every one that sweareth shall be cut off as on that side according to it.’ It’s the curse. With the scroll, God is actually revealing to us a measure—revealing to us that if you and I don’t measure up to the stature of Christ, we’re not under the love of God; we’re left under the curse of God. He’s having a look at the judgment on both sides of the scroll.

Now, you remember in John 10, He’s speaking about there’s no other way to come up. He’s the door and if you try to come up another way, you’re a thief and a robber. There is only one way to actually do this. He that doesn’t afflict his soul in this selfsame day, that soul will be cut off. Zechariah is having a look at this measuring line that’s in this whole book; that Jerusalem is being measured by and to not go on into this thing, actually is a curse in this Holy Place.

He says that ‘everyone that sweareth shall be cut off as on that side according to it.’ So these are the characteristics that He is addressing that you find in the multitudes that have received the barley and the fishes by the Sea of Galilee. Here are the characteristics: they’re stealing and they’re swearing falsely.

So you see John writing about this in Revelation that it’s blasphemy to say you are a Jew but are not—that’s swearing falsely—to say you are something, when you’re not, is swearing falsely. There’s not going to be any blasphemers in the Kingdom; no hypocrites in the Kingdom. Neither are you going to come up some other way.

So He’s revealing the judgment that is going to fall and the criteria that cuts off the first two parts, because only the third part is going to measure up and come through the fire.

Zechariah 5:4 ‘I will bring it forth, saith the Lord of hosts (In His time, He’s bringing forth this curse—this judgment—on those two realms) , and it shall enter into the house of the thief, and into the house of him that sweareth falsely by my name: and it shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof.’

So this is what’s waiting us if we don’t go on to make our calling and election sure. So it behooves us; it’s a jeopardy we are in. Do you know who I think this is written to? It’s written to us! To whom much is given, much is required.

I don’t even believe that this pertains to our dear Pentecostal brethren who God may not yet have opened the eyes to the reed standing just before they go on in. It’s to whom much is given, much is required.

You and I have been given a glimpse of another realm in God. You and I have been given a glimpse of the finish line. You and I have been given a glimpse of what salvation actually means. Their time is coming when you and I become the saviors on Mt. Zion to judge the Mt. of Esau. So this is not written for those who are out in that realm and God may never open their eyes. It’s written for you and I who are standing at the veil with the altar of incense there as an instrument and a criteria to find out what is the criteria for your worship.

That altar of incense is a measuring reed. It’s there measuring your worship in the house. It’s there measuring whether or not you and I are going to qualify to go through the veil.

He’s says, “If you don’t go through, once I’ve opened your eyes to this—once I’ve revealed to you this high call—he that doesn’t afflict his soul in that selfsame day is going to be cut off. Here, have a look at the scroll.”

The characteristics and the reason for being cut off are because you’re living as a thief and you’re swearing falsely. You actually think you’re going to be all right. There is no other way; He’s the door and no man comes to the Father, but by Him. That means you’re going to have to go the way He went to get there.

To swear falsely—you can’t have a name that you’re alive when you’re dead. This is what we’re going to look at. This is the age we are living in.

Seven women will take hold of one man saying, “We’ll eat our own bread; we’ll wear our own apparel; just let us be called by Your name to take away our reproach.” Those seven women represent a whole church system; it’s a complete number. That’s the characteristic of that realm of the multitude by the seashore who received the barley and received the fishes.

That’s why in this move of God, 40 years ago, we heard an apostolic line and a trumpet saying, “Come out from her. Come out and be separate and touch not the unclean thing.” God was taking a people out of Mystery Babylon; taking them away from the mother and her daughters so that we could be a pure seed unto Him. That’s the word and that’s what we’re still fulfilling.

Once it’s been given to us, much is required—we’re accountable. Who does weeping and gnashing of teeth pertain to? Not to the world! It’s us! After having been given an opportunity to not have the proper respect for the birthright, you see Esau though he sought a place of repentance carefully, with tears, he couldn’t find one. Why? Because the door was shut! He was locked out as a result of his choice.

What criteria are you using in your worship? As a people of God and as individuals, we’re right there at the veil. The question is, will the veil of flesh be rent in you? Well it will, if we measure up; if we measure up to this thing. So God has got that reed there measuring the altar and them that worship therein.

Now it continues on. A few years ago, I couldn’t understand how these two things fit together and then the Lord really opened this up to me. This was the word that God used in this move of God that we would come out of her—come all the way out. Well, how far is out? All the way out! It’s yet to be decided whether we’ve come all the way out. Some people have actually gone back. I’m not going to fall into presumption and think I’m all the way out, yet. It’s not over until it’s over. We don’t want to draw back into perdition. We don’t want to be of those who draw back but those who press on.

You’re never all the way out until the ride’s over—‘til you’ve successfully made it through the ride.

Zechariah 5:5-6 ‘Then the angel that talked with me went forth, and said unto me, Lift up now thine eyes, and see what is this that goeth forth. And I said, What is it? And he said, This is an ephah (Now an ephah is a basket. It’s a form of measurement for grain; it’s a dry measure. There was a dry measure and there was a liquid measure. A “bath” was a liquid measure and an “ephah” was a dry measure. An ephah and an homer are the same thing—an ephah holds 10 homers. We’ll look at this in a second.) And I said, What is it? And he said, This is an ephah that goeth forth. He said moreover, This is their resemblance through all the earth.’

So what He is revealing here is there is a measurement—an ephah is a measuring tool; it measures grain. He said, “There is a resemblance in the whole earth that’s according to this ephah— according to this measure.” Ephah actually means measure.

Do you remember the women in the gospels? She hid leaven in all three measures of meal.

In this ephah, which is a measure, there is leaven in it because the woman put it there. There’s leaven in this ephah, put there by the woman. He says it has the same resemblance throughout the whole earth.

Zechariah 5:7 ‘And behold, there was lifted up a talent of lead (that’s the lid—it means the lid on the basket) : and this is a woman that sitteth in the midst of the ephah.’

When the lid is lifted up, this is a woman that is seen sitting in the midst of the ephah—there’s a woman in the basket; there’s a woman that things are being measured by. That’s why we’re looking at the criteria for which you measure things.

What we’re going to see here is, this is a grain basket representing the word. Barley is a grain. When the lid is actually lifted up—this is why the Spirit of His mouth and the brightness of His coming comes to reveal what’s in the basket. When that lid gets lifted up and the measure is revealed, a woman is revealed in the midst of the measure. He tells you right up front, “When I lift the lid on this thing—when I lift the lid, you’re going to see that her resemblance is the same in the whole earth.” He tells us that right up front.

Zechariah 5:7(b)-11(a) ‘…a woman that sitteth in the midst of the ephah. And he said, This is wickedness. And he cast it into the midst of the ephah; (He closed the lid.) and he cast the weight of lead upon the mouth thereof. Then I lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came out two women, and the wind was in their wings; (What is the wind a type of? Doctrine. So, ‘little children, be not tossed to and fro by every wind of doctrine.’ These two women are carried by doctrine and they’re representing what’s in this basket.) for they had wings like the wings of a stork: (an unclean bird) and they lifted up the ephah (they lifted up this measure) between the earth and the heaven. Then said I to the angel that talked with me, Whither do these bear the ephah? (Where are they taking this measure?) And he said unto me, To build it an house in the land of Shinar: (Where’s that? Babylon; Shinar is another word for Babylon.)

So these two women—and we’ll look at the characteristics of these women, because you are going to be found or have been found in one or the other of these two women.

These two women, the lid has been on them. You can see in the book of Nahum, God says at the end of this thing He’s going to lift the skirt of the harlot and discover her nakedness. In other words, the lid of this harlot woman—the thing that has been hidden is going to be revealed and when it’s going to be revealed, we’re going to see the mother and her daughters and the resemblance will be the same in the whole earth.

The question is whether or not you and I will have come all the out and measured up because she has a measure, too. What carries her is the wind in her wings, but her wings are the wings of a stork; it’s unclean. It’s not a complete gospel; it’s unclean.

It is so important for you and me to know what we’re measuring things by, because if we’re going to get it right, it’s got to be according to the measure and the stature of the fullness of Christ; not by a barley experience alone.

It hasn’t always been apparent what word it was going to take to bring you and me to perfection. There was a lid on this thing as you and I know. That’s why the path of the just is as a shining light.

When we came out—when Brother Sam started ministering, “Come out of her!” We didn’t know what we were coming out to, really. But now as we followed on to know, what God has begun to do in our midst is lift that lid and begin to show us the wickedness that is in that measure; so that you and I can line up before the proper measure. He’s judging the temple and the altar where you and I worship.

They’re carrying this thing—two women are carrying this thing—to build a house in the land of Babylon. What’s Babylon mean? Confusion.

Zechariah 5:11(b) ‘And it shall be established and set there on her own base.’

That’s these seven women that want to be called by His name to take away their reproach. It’s got its own base. Notice she builds her own foundation, but it’s confusion.

Now what makes it confusion is ‘a double-minded man is unstable in all his ways.’ There are two women here.

Revelation 17:1-3 ‘And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: (waters are a type of people) With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, (remember these points) and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. (Isaiah calls them the drunkards of Ephraim) So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads (That’s that complete religious system—it’s a government. All religious power is governed by the devil, but it’s religious; that’s why it’s seven. But notice what’s with these seven heads. I have another whole word that I’m not going to minister now on the seven heads and the 10 horns. It says she has seven heads) and ten horns.’

Ten is always a number of man’s government. The law was 10 commandments; 10 plagues; it’s a number of man’s governments; it’s a type of democracy.

You can see that all power is religious power, but it’ camouflaged because she’s committed fornication with all the kings of the earth and they’re all drunk by the wine of her fornication.

What you and I will see before it’s all over—the powers that you and I will face—will be religious power, because who is the god of this world? Lucifer is the god of this world. So every democratic government is ruled by these seven heads that are hidden within these 10 horns. Across the name is blasphemy because she has no faithfulness in her, but she’s committed fornication with all the kings of the earth.

You can see why God was so careful to sound a trumpet sound that we would come out of her and why the enemy—you see it Revelation; they still allow Jezebel in the midst of the church who seduced the saints to commit fornication and eat things offered to idols.

Once you’re out, of course, the seduction is to draw you back. What is it that children are carried away with? Winds of doctrine.

So that’s why it’s an unclean thing and it will establish you on the wrong foundation; it establishes its base in Babylon; it’s confusion. The reason it’s confusion is because these two women have two characteristics.

To summarize, Babylon very clearly here as we read it down here:

Revelation 17:4-5 ‘And the woman was arrayed in purple (What’s purple the color of? Royalty; sonship. So she’s got a message; it looks pretty good on the outside. This is what you see out there; it is a message of sonship based all on what Jesus did. The measure has not been fully revealed. Until the lid comes off, you begin to find that message that the church has grown up under has been lopsided and the resemblance is the same in the whole earth and He says it’s wickedness and in the end I’m going to discover her lewdness, He tells us in the prophets.) …decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.’

This mother has produced two women. Go to Ezekiel now. What the two women, that come out of this mother have, are two characteristics that we would see in the church realm.

Ezekiel 23:1-2 ‘The word of the Lord came again unto me, saying, Son of man, there were two women, the daughters of one mother:’

What God is revealing is that these two women are the characteristics of a church system—two women. You’re going to be in one of these women or the other or have been. The church ages, as a whole, has been in one of these two women.

It’s been set up on a base of wickedness; it’s her own foundation. They’re the daughters of one mother; Babylon is their mother, because remember where that foundation is built—in Babylon; it’s confusion and she’s the mother of these harlots.

Ezekiel 23:3-4 ‘And they committed whoredoms in Egypt; (that’s a type of the church) they committed whoredoms in their youth: there were their breasts pressed, and there they bruised the teats of their virginity. (Notice the names) And the names of them were Aholah the elder, (she’s the older sister) and Aholibah her sister: and they were mine, and they bare sons and daughters. Thus were their names: Samaria is Aholah, (she’s the elder sister) and Jerusalem Aholibah (the younger sister) .’

You can see that the woman that would be first, would be the woman under the law. When Jesus shows up, you remember one day He comes along to Jacob’s well and He meets a woman there who was a Samaritan woman. You know the story; He reveals to her that she had five husbands and the husband she was now with, wasn’t her husband either.

He said, “If you’ll drink the water that I have, you’ll have everlasting life; you won’t drink again and you’ll have that fountain on the inside of you.”

Jacob’s well represented the traditions of their fathers; it was a church that was under the law. So Jesus came; the reason He came was to break that law that the whole church was under. What He did, was brought you into another realm; He made it possible for you to be under another realm.

But there were two women. The other one’s name is Jerusalem. Jerusalem is totally different because Jerusalem would represent the church that is not under the law. You can see this in scripture that works of circumcision and works of uncircumcision profit nothing, but it’s a new creature in Christ.

God wanted to reveal to us that it didn’t matter which characteristic you were going to be in—or which side of this thing you were going to be in. Whether you were under the law in the circumcision of the flesh, or whether you were walking in the uncircumcision as the Gentiles did in the vanity of their mind; neither one of them was going to get the work done, but you would have to be in Christ . If you were in Christ, you would be a new creature in Christ.

What happens is people would come out from under the law and they would come into this Jerusalem part of it where in the Jerusalem church, you get to partake of these first two feasts. Because you have broken out of the one and come into the other, you mistake that as freedom.

Now notice something; if you turn to the book of Revelation chapter 11, actually we were here before in the beginning of the chapter. We had read earlier about the two witnesses, which are the two olive trees and the two candlesticks which were standing before the God of the earth.

Revelation 11:7-8 ‘And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.’

Where was Jesus actually crucified? In Jerusalem; so what He’s revealing to us here is that spiritually, the characteristic of Jerusalem was Sodom and Egypt.

We won’t take the time, but if you will look in Ezekiel 16, you’d see that the sisters of Jerusalem: one sister is Sodom; Jerusalem is in the middle; one sister is Sodom and the other is Samaria. What God is revealing to us is, Sodom is Jerusalem. Right here, we are seeing that Jerusalem spiritually is known as Sodom and Egypt.

The reason for that is because the modern church that is locked into these two realms, and I hope I don’t stumble too many of you, but the reason it’s characterized as Sodom is because sodomy is a union that can’t bring forth life. It’s done for pleasure, but it can’t bring forth life.

You’ll see that in the realms of the first two feasts and especially in the charismatic second feast realm, what everything is about is the pleasure for the body. So everybody’s wrapped up in a religious, emotional experience and what they’re called, in scripture, are the “drunkards of Ephriam”. This woman, Jezebel, is making sure they’re all drunk on the wine of her fornication. She is there doing this with all the kings of the earth.

You and I want to be careful and know the jeopardy that we’re in because we have been part of a people that God wants to bring all the way out . We’re right at the gate now where He’s measuring the temple and the altar therein. He’s lifting the lid on that ephah and what’s being exposed is the measure that you measure things with.

What most Christians measure things with is the doctrine they were taught by. So they get tossed to and fro by every wind of doctrine. So they run to this church; they run to that church and it’s confusion; it’s Mystery Babylon.

God wants to open this up for us. She’s riding a scarlet colored beast. In the end, this whole thing’s going to come down in one hour. You can see spiritually it’s called Sodom and Egypt. Because the relationship with the Lord is based on “You giving me the bread all the time.”

In these last days, ‘men will be lovers of pleasure more than lovers of God.’ Now that is all right until God says it’s time to go on. Now He’s taking a people out of—away from—the Sea of Galilee. He wants you and me to stand up to the measuring reed and find out if we measure up or not.

In the first two feasts, although you’ve been given provision, although you’ve been given the gift, the point is, you still can live your life unto yourself and it doesn’t take away that gift and that provision.

God is challenging us now in these days: how far out are we going to come? Or is our relationship with Him—because the ones that crucified Him are characterized as Sodom and Egypt. In other words, they sacrificed Him for their own life. They released Barabbas and crucified Christ.

It’s kind of a slap to be characterized as that, but now if you’ll look here in the book of Isaiah chapter 1, verse 1:

Isaiah 1:1 ‘The vision of Isaiah the son of Amoz, which he saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem…’

What God has typed for you right in verse 1 is two things: Judah are the sons and Jerusalem is the woman. So the law will go forth from Zion—that’s the sons—and the word of the Lord will go forth from Jerusalem—that’s the Bride.

It’s important for you to understand there are two Jerusalems. There’s a Jerusalem which answereth to Mt. Sinai and is in bondage with her children, but there is a Jerusalem, which is from above, who is the mother of us all and she’s a free woman.

So Brother Sam had us coming out so that the woman could stay free. There’s a woman that’s a bondwoman that’s in slavery and so we’re all her children, but God has got a free woman, which is the mother of us all. Now watch how this goes.

How is the woman saved? In child bearing. In order for this woman—which you don’t see ready until the end of the Millennium—she’s in heaven; she’s the mother of us all—Jerusalem, which is above, is the mother of us all—it’s not until the end of the Millennium that you see Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God prepared as a bride for her husband.

What has to come out of her is her salvation. It’s her salvation that comes out of her. So, she’s the mother of us all.

Look in Isaiah 62. You can see what God would do was take you out of Mystery Babylon—the mother mystery church and all her daughters—and when you would come into Christ, you would have Jerusalem as your mother and Abraham as your father. This is how it would work in Christ.

As you walk by faith, Abraham is your father and Jerusalem is your mother. This is the state you would be in until God is all in all—until we would come up in resurrection.

Jerusalem is our mother and those that walk by faith are heirs according to the promise and Abraham is our father.

Isaiah 62:1 ‘For Zion’s sake will I not hold my peace, and for Jerusalem’s sake I will not rest, (There you go again; there’s the sons and the woman. God is always going to have the mystery of a man and a maid. God’s got to have both right here. He’s not going to hold His peace because there’s got to be a union consummated here so that life can come forth.) until the righteousness thereof go forth as brightness, (That’s talking about a birth. That’s talking about something actually happening.) and the salvation thereof as a lamp that burneth.’

Isaiah 62:4-5 ‘Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken; (Once this is actually taken place.) neither shall thy land any more be termed Desolate: but thou shalt be called Hephzibah, and thy land Beulah: for the Lord delighteth in thee, and thy land shall be married. For as a young man marrieth a virgin, so shall thy sons marry thee:’

“Thee”, who? The virgin, but who’s the virgin? The virgin is the woman they come out of. The virgin is their mother. Only in God does this work. Has it happened before? Who was the mother of Jesus? She was a virgin because anything born of God cannot be born of man. It’s got to be an incorruptible seed.

The first of the firstfruits came through a woman; however, He came from His Father; it was an incorruptible seed. So Christ Jesus was only one member of the Christ, so how else are the rest of the seed of Christ going to be born? They have to be born the exact same way. Who are they born of? They’re born of a virgin. What’s her salvation? She’s saved in child bearing. We are the salvation of this woman.

That’s why in scripture, Jerusalem and Zion are always together like this. They’re always together because Zion is the sons that come out of Jerusalem. For what purpose? To turn around and marry her and in that marriage, the land will no more be termed Forsaken. The land is going to be married.

So what are you called to do as the sons? Grow up into the Head, which is Christ. What did the first son not do? He never kept the garden. He wasn’t faithful to the woman. God has raised up a ministry in this hour like Mordecai, who never married and he never took the woman to himself; he presented her to the king. He always presented her to the king.

Any true ministry is espousing you to one husband; they are not the husband; they espouse you to one husband which is Christ.

You can see the woman then is not ready until the end of the Millennium as a Bride. Who is ready? The Sonship Company. When in resurrection when the sons comes up, you’ll see for the first time, the woman tucks in underneath her husband and she’s clothed with the sun (Revelation 12); clothed with the sun and she has a crown of 12 stars on her head.

So what the first man didn’t do in keeping the garden, because remember that was his command; he was to keep and tend the garden. Well, what’s the garden? Who’s the garden? Let’s look at it in the Song of Solomon.

Song of Solomon 4:12 ‘A garden inclosed is my sister, my spouse; a spring shut up, a fountain sealed.’

So who’s the garden? She’s this woman. The garden is the woman. Now watch how this works out.

Song of Solomon 5:1 ‘I am come into my garden, my sister, my spouse: I have gathered my myrrh with my spice; I have eaten my honeycomb with my honey; I have drunk my wine with my milk: eat, O friends; drink, yea, drink abundantly, O beloved.’

Song of Solomon 6:1-2 ‘Whither is thy beloved gone,’ (This is the rest of the women talking now. They’re talking to her, the Shulamite maiden.) ‘O thou fairest among women?’ (All these other women out there are now looking at her.) ‘Whither is thy beloved gone…whither is thy beloved turned aside? That we may seek him with thee.’ (Notice where He went. He’s gone down where?) ‘ My beloved is gone down into his garden,’ (He’s only after one woman.) ‘to the beds of spices,’ (And what’s He doing there?) ‘to feed in the gardens,’ (For what purpose?) ‘to gather lilies.’

Now what is He? “I am the Rose of Sharon, the Lily of the Valley.” Jesus is the lily, so who are the lilies? They are the rest of the sons. Jesus is the lily and the sons are the lilies. What’s He doing there amongst this woman? He’s gathering out the sons. Why? Because she’s saved in child bearing.

He’s looking, out of this virtuous woman that is keeping herself tucked underneath His government, God is eating there in the midst of His garden and He’s gathering lilies.

Now notice what it goes on to say, chapter 7, verse 2. Actually, I have to read chapter 6, verse 11 because I always get a kick out of this.

Song of Solomon 6:11 ‘I went down into the garden of nuts’ (Sometimes I feel like that’s how we all are. He’s down looking in the garden of nuts; we all look like a bunch of nuts sometimes. Nevertheless, amongst all you nuts, He’s going to find some lilies that He can gather together; sons that will be called by His name.)

Song of Solomon 7:2 ‘Thy navel is like a round goblet, which wanteth not liquor: thy belly is like an heap of wheat set about with lilies.’

She’s pregnant; her belly is like a heap of wheat and what do you see surrounding that word? The sons. Because how is she going to be delivered? How is she going to be saved? In child bearing. And when this child is born, He’s going to be caught up to the throne to rule and reign with Christ for a thousand years.

You can see that God has brought in these last 40 years—how God has done something so beautiful. You got to have the right man and you got to have the right woman to make this thing work.

Many of the ministry that have left us have found that there’s no life getting produced because they don’t have the right woman. You got to have the right relationship to bring forth this life. It’s got to be the virtuous woman that this son comes out of.

So as a son marries a virgin—she can’t have a relationship with anybody else. The son that comes out of her—and that’s what you and I are doing here, because collectively, we are this woman. Collectively, we are this virgin woman and what is coming out of us is this manchild. For what purpose? He’s going to turn around and marry her. Christ is looking for a wife; looking for somewhere to put His head.

So this is the salvation that the world is waiting to see: ‘the manifestation of the sons of God.’

If you’re in the running for this, if you’re in this program, you’re one of these lilies that have been gathered out of the garden of nuts. You’re very zealous; you guard your heart with all diligence for out of it are the issues of life.

You can see the lilies round about this belly of wheat because any day now when Zion travails, she shall bring forth and a nation shall be born in a day.

We’re in an exciting time here. This is about to happen. This is why God is lifting that lid off of that ephah. This is why God, line upon line, precept upon precept, has been lifting the skirt of the harlot so that we can see what criteria those first two feasts have measured their walk by. Because it says it’s got the same resemblance in the whole earth.

As you and I step up to the gate, He measures the temple and the altar with a different kind of measure than the house that’s built in Babylon. This is a house that’s got to last forever. So, how are we doing?

I like the word John Basalyga mentioned about the cubit. By taking one thought, can you add one cubit to your stature? This reed, in Revelation, is a royal cubit; you need an extra cubit to measure up because the common cubit was only six and you need seven cubits to make up that royal cubit.

So can you, by thought, add one cubit? No; you’re going to have to measure up to a different measure. So now God has got us right up to the line here and our God is a consuming fire. Two parts get cut off and die and the third part He brings through the fire. The measure is Christ.

I tell you when that measurement shines like the sun, every eye is going to see it. Every eye is going to see. You know what it says about her? She’s going to come down in one hour and it says the merchants will wail because of her delicacies that they were made rich by. That whole realm is a realm of mercantilism; it’s a realm of wares to sell.

God has had us under a trumpet sound for the last 40 years to get us to this point where we are now, where He measures the temple and the altar and them that worship therein.

You and I are at the veil—the second veil—where the veil of our flesh must be rent, but it’ll only be rent if we measure up to the stature of Christ.

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